Comments on: Charting the “Thabo effect” http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/04/charting-the-thabo-effect/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:12:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Joe http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/04/charting-the-thabo-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-4301 Joe Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:15:19 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1729#comment-4301 According to Hollinger, you don't get as big of a boost in win% by defending the three as you do in shooting it. Wierd. According to Hollinger, you don’t get as big of a boost in win% by defending the three as you do in shooting it. Wierd.

]]> By: MartzMimic http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/04/charting-the-thabo-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-4266 MartzMimic Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:35:04 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1729#comment-4266 Seeing the chart made me thing back to the recent discussion about the importance of the 3-point shot. Could it be that preventing (or hampering) the 3-pointer is just as important defensively? Seeing the chart made me thing back to the recent discussion about the importance of the 3-point shot. Could it be that preventing (or hampering) the 3-pointer is just as important defensively?

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/04/charting-the-thabo-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-4238 Crow Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:25:16 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1729#comment-4238 Thabo likes to have bruise brothers with him. Weaver isn't a bruiser but he plays D and wins 71% with Thabo. Thabo likes to have bruise brothers with him. Weaver isn’t a bruiser but he plays D and wins 71% with Thabo.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/04/charting-the-thabo-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-4237 Crow Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:23:18 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1729#comment-4237 Want interior D? You probably ought to go with two of Kristic-Collison and wait n see but probably White. Rose has done well. If White can play tough like that it would be welcome and a change from Green at PF. Green's numbers are looking slightly better at SF again. Thabo - Rose win 80% of the time. T and Nick 61%, T and Krstic 37%. Green 23%, Durant 11%. Want interior D? You probably ought to go with two of Kristic-Collison and wait n see but probably White. Rose has done well. If White can play tough like that it would be welcome and a change from Green at PF. Green’s numbers are looking slightly better at SF again.

Thabo – Rose win 80% of the time. T and Nick 61%, T and Krstic 37%. Green 23%, Durant 11%.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/04/charting-the-thabo-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-4236 Crow Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:11:14 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1729#comment-4236 Krstic-Collison-Sefolosha has been strong in limited use. Played about 50 minutes and won by 25 points. Strong on offense and defense. Mainly tried as Krstic-Collison-Sefolosha-Weaver-Westbrook and that isn't likely to get used much but replace Weaver with Durant or Green and it might still work. Durant and Green is one to many. Krstic-Collison-Sefolosha has been strong in limited use. Played about 50 minutes and won by 25 points. Strong on offense and defense. Mainly tried as Krstic-Collison-Sefolosha-Weaver-Westbrook and that isn’t likely to get used much but replace Weaver with Durant or Green and it might still work. Durant and Green is one to many.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/04/charting-the-thabo-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-4235 Crow Thu, 02 Apr 2009 07:46:27 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1729#comment-4235 If you look at player raw on /off team offense and defense and their overall adjusted it looks like Thabo has the biggest impact on defense. When he is on the court the offense goes some down but in OKC his defensive impact is bigger. Krstic is about neutral on offense and second best on D, Weaver third best for on /off defense and 2nd best for on /off offense. The latter two played a weaker set of opponents so their adjusted +/- rating isn't as strong. Westbrook is the leader on that. Green is up to neutral. Durant is lower than anyone not named Wilkins. Both Durant and Green are still weak by on /off defense (can't play together and expect to be even average defensively even with all the best at the other spots) but Durant is weaker and Green is stronger by on/off offense too and it looks like Green faces a tougher set of opponents on average as well. No improvement in Durant's adjusted rating from last season to this season. Still -7 per 48 minutes. http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?year=2008-2009&team=OKC Green improved by 3 pts. All of Durant's weakness is on team defense. If you look at player raw on /off team offense and defense and their overall adjusted it looks like Thabo has the biggest impact on defense. When he is on the court the offense goes some down but in OKC his defensive impact is bigger. Krstic is about neutral on offense and second best on D, Weaver third best for on /off defense and 2nd best for on /off offense. The latter two played a weaker set of opponents so their adjusted +/- rating isn’t as strong. Westbrook is the leader on that. Green is up to neutral. Durant is lower than anyone not named Wilkins. Both Durant and Green are still weak by on /off defense (can’t play together and expect to be even average defensively even with all the best at the other spots) but Durant is weaker and Green is stronger by on/off offense too and it looks like Green faces a tougher set of opponents on average as well. No improvement in Durant’s adjusted rating from last season to this season. Still -7 per 48 minutes. http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?year=2008-2009&team=OKC
Green improved by 3 pts. All of Durant’s weakness is on team defense.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/04/charting-the-thabo-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-4233 Crow Thu, 02 Apr 2009 07:11:40 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1729#comment-4233 Weaver and Krstic may be contributing almost as much as Thabo now that they are sorta of used to playing. Weaver and Krstic may be contributing almost as much as Thabo now that they are sorta of used to playing.

]]> By: Joe http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/04/charting-the-thabo-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-4230 Joe Thu, 02 Apr 2009 04:02:27 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1729#comment-4230 <blockquote cite="#commentbody-4226"> <strong><a href="#comment-4226" rel="nofollow">Kev</a> :</strong> Nice chart - Unfortunately it hasn’t had too much of an effect on overall defense, but we went over that in the Spurs thread - he can’t do it by himself - if he runs guys off threes and the ball is rotated, those guys have to D it up as well. We also need a legitimate shotblocker (not Thabeet) to help - there is no resistance at the rim . . . </blockquote> Oh, I completely agree. Our defensive efficiency while below average for this last month, is still above average for the season. We're not a good defensive team at this point, but what is encouraging to me is that it seems like we can get stops against good teams at times. Not for the whole game that's for sure, as evidenced by the Boston game, and lots of lapses in the San Antonio game. But I'm hoping that this is a baby step. To your point about the interior, how many times did Ginobli get to the rim against us? Parker? Our interior defense is just not very good. I have to say also that Brooks did a very good job coaching this team earlier this month with the two big guys out. The team could have folded, but he got away from the jumpers and had the guys go to the rack a lot and play the best defense of the season.

Kev :
Nice chart – Unfortunately it hasn’t had too much of an effect on overall defense, but we went over that in the Spurs thread – he can’t do it by himself – if he runs guys off threes and the ball is rotated, those guys have to D it up as well. We also need a legitimate shotblocker (not Thabeet) to help – there is no resistance at the rim . . .

Oh, I completely agree. Our defensive efficiency while below average for this last month, is still above average for the season. We’re not a good defensive team at this point, but what is encouraging to me is that it seems like we can get stops against good teams at times. Not for the whole game that’s for sure, as evidenced by the Boston game, and lots of lapses in the San Antonio game. But I’m hoping that this is a baby step.

To your point about the interior, how many times did Ginobli get to the rim against us? Parker? Our interior defense is just not very good.

I have to say also that Brooks did a very good job coaching this team earlier this month with the two big guys out. The team could have folded, but he got away from the jumpers and had the guys go to the rack a lot and play the best defense of the season.

]]> By: Rod http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/04/charting-the-thabo-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-4229 Rod Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:13:25 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1729#comment-4229 Yeah, w/o even thinking you notice the perimeter defense has improved greatly. Yeah, w/o even thinking you notice the perimeter defense has improved greatly.

]]> By: Kev http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/04/charting-the-thabo-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-4226 Kev Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:08:05 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1729#comment-4226 Nice chart - Unfortunately it hasn't had too much of an effect on overall defense, but we went over that in the Spurs thread - he can't do it by himself - if he runs guys off threes and the ball is rotated, those guys have to D it up as well. We also need a legitimate shotblocker (not Thabeet) to help - there is no resistance at the rim . . . Nice chart – Unfortunately it hasn’t had too much of an effect on overall defense, but we went over that in the Spurs thread – he can’t do it by himself – if he runs guys off threes and the ball is rotated, those guys have to D it up as well. We also need a legitimate shotblocker (not Thabeet) to help – there is no resistance at the rim . . .

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