Comments on: One of these is not like the other http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/03/one-of-these-is-not-like-the-other/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:08:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Royce http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/03/one-of-these-is-not-like-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-4128 Royce Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:51:26 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1672#comment-4128 <a href="#comment-4125" rel="nofollow">@Kev</a> I think it had to do with conditioning. @Kev
I think it had to do with conditioning.

]]> By: Nix http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/03/one-of-these-is-not-like-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-4127 Nix Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:47:19 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1672#comment-4127 I enjoy RW stats...(just not the FG% & TO ones) I enjoy RW stats…(just not the FG% & TO ones)

]]> By: Kev http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/03/one-of-these-is-not-like-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-4125 Kev Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:42:24 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1672#comment-4125 Why was White sent back to the 66ers?? Why was White sent back to the 66ers??

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/03/one-of-these-is-not-like-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-4117 Crow Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:37:37 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1672#comment-4117 Utah has very little 3 point game and is good to very good but not great on defense. Those points of comparison are easier for the Thunder. Utah has very little 3 point game and is good to very good but not great on defense. Those points of comparison are easier for the Thunder.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/03/one-of-these-is-not-like-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-4114 Crow Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:20:38 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1672#comment-4114 Thunder like Orlando without Howard... and the defensive minded coach and the 3 point game. But I can see your points of similarity Keith. A stud big does change a lot. I don't think it fixes everything but it would help a lot. As would a vet PG and a proven quality volume outside shooter. Maybe DJ White can be somewhat lie Carlos Boozer. To be like the Jazz is probably more obtainable for this roster than fully like Orlando. Okur- Kristic and Collison-Milsap are similar. Durant perhaps could become a bit more Kirilenko like. I don't think Green does, though he was advertised that way; but if he could, great. They've got guys who could be Brewer / Miles level. Westbrook isn't Williams but he could move from distant to not as distant. If White and Westbrook don't get to lofty heights then they need to use their free agent money in one or both directions. Thunder like Orlando without Howard… and the defensive minded coach and the 3 point game. But I can see your points of similarity Keith.

A stud big does change a lot. I don’t think it fixes everything but it would help a lot. As would a vet PG and a proven quality volume outside shooter.

Maybe DJ White can be somewhat lie Carlos Boozer. To be like the Jazz is probably more obtainable for this roster than fully like Orlando. Okur- Kristic and Collison-Milsap are similar. Durant perhaps could become a bit more Kirilenko like. I don’t think Green does, though he was advertised that way; but if he could, great. They’ve got guys who could be Brewer / Miles level. Westbrook isn’t Williams but he could move from distant to not as distant. If White and Westbrook don’t get to lofty heights then they need to use their free agent money in one or both directions.

]]> By: Keith http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/03/one-of-these-is-not-like-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-4109 Keith Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:40:57 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1672#comment-4109 <a href="#comment-4106" rel="nofollow">@Crow</a> I think I've found out the main problem with the Thunder using team comparisons. Presti wants to be the Spurs, but are built like the Magic sans Howard. Durant is Hedo, arguably the most important player on the team who does a bit of everything effectively on offense, but is known for being just a so-so defender. Green is Lewis, a SF playing PF who is better off taking the three than playing the post, and who can get pushed around by opposing bigs. Westbrook is Nelson, a guy considered mediocre at the point until he found his shot and role on the team. Thabo/Weaver/Mason are Lee/Pietrus/Reddick, a rotation of players that don't look like starters but who focus on defense to overcome the shortcomings of their backcourt mates. The missing piece to this team is Howard. We have no one to erase mistakes in the paint, no one that can draw a double team inside, no one who can fight for every rebound available. There is a lot to do on the coaching front, but everyone who loves our young, sky-high-potential team has to realize that the very makeup of this team still has some changing to do. Also, call me crazy, but if Westbrook can learn to be the defender in the NBA that he was in college, wouldn't he make a fantastic SG? His length makes up for what little height he gives up (he's still around 6'4"), his rebounding prowess is just as effective (perhaps moreso as he wouldn't be expected to be the first guy back on defense), and he no longer has the duties of ball handling and passing that seem to be weaknesses for him. @Crow
I think I’ve found out the main problem with the Thunder using team comparisons. Presti wants to be the Spurs, but are built like the Magic sans Howard. Durant is Hedo, arguably the most important player on the team who does a bit of everything effectively on offense, but is known for being just a so-so defender. Green is Lewis, a SF playing PF who is better off taking the three than playing the post, and who can get pushed around by opposing bigs. Westbrook is Nelson, a guy considered mediocre at the point until he found his shot and role on the team. Thabo/Weaver/Mason are Lee/Pietrus/Reddick, a rotation of players that don’t look like starters but who focus on defense to overcome the shortcomings of their backcourt mates.

The missing piece to this team is Howard. We have no one to erase mistakes in the paint, no one that can draw a double team inside, no one who can fight for every rebound available. There is a lot to do on the coaching front, but everyone who loves our young, sky-high-potential team has to realize that the very makeup of this team still has some changing to do.

Also, call me crazy, but if Westbrook can learn to be the defender in the NBA that he was in college, wouldn’t he make a fantastic SG? His length makes up for what little height he gives up (he’s still around 6’4″), his rebounding prowess is just as effective (perhaps moreso as he wouldn’t be expected to be the first guy back on defense), and he no longer has the duties of ball handling and passing that seem to be weaknesses for him.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/03/one-of-these-is-not-like-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-4106 Crow Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:12:10 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1672#comment-4106 If Green is scoring first, defensive rebounding second then the center probably has to be offensive rebounding and defense first. Krstic and Collison are decent choices though each is weaker one of these criteria and neither is truly strong on both. If Green is scoring first, defensive rebounding second then the center probably has to be offensive rebounding and defense first. Krstic and Collison are decent choices though each is weaker one of these criteria and neither is truly strong on both.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/03/one-of-these-is-not-like-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-4104 Crow Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:09:42 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1672#comment-4104 Including everybody allows low minute guys to clutter things but look at guys who play 10+ minutes a game and Howard is 7th. Love is about 10% better per minute but because Howard doesn't for as long as he does he is fairly considered the biggest offensive rebounding force. Including everybody allows low minute guys to clutter things but look at guys who play 10+ minutes a game and Howard is 7th. Love is about 10% better per minute but because Howard doesn’t for as long as he does he is fairly considered the biggest offensive rebounding force.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/03/one-of-these-is-not-like-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-4103 Crow Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:04:18 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1672#comment-4103 If you have Collison and Krstic and DJ White then Green's offensive rebounding is somewhat more acceptable. But if Green is on the court because he is a scorer than an offensive rebounder then he has to be held to a higher standard on eFG% and TS%. He is about average there but good teams #2 scorers are better than average. Most good teams #3, 4 and may be more are better than average shooters. Utah, Houston and Portland go 4-6 deep at least. Thunder go 3 deep if you count Collison and Weaver. Green is 4th in shooting quality and borderline. If you have Collison and Krstic and DJ White then Green’s offensive rebounding is somewhat more acceptable. But if Green is on the court because he is a scorer than an offensive rebounder then he has to be held to a higher standard on eFG% and TS%. He is about average there but good teams #2 scorers are better than average. Most good teams #3, 4 and may be more are better than average shooters. Utah, Houston and Portland go 4-6 deep at least. Thunder go 3 deep if you count Collison and Weaver. Green is 4th in shooting quality and borderline.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/03/one-of-these-is-not-like-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-4102 Crow Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:53:29 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1672#comment-4102 10+ minutes http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=aqUX9 10+ minutes

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=aqUX9

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