Comments on: The value in keeping Joe Smith http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/the-value-in-keeping-joe-smith/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:12:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: The Weekend Connect – March 6 « The On Deck Circle http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/the-value-in-keeping-joe-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-266334 The Weekend Connect – March 6 « The On Deck Circle Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:47:01 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1130#comment-266334 [...] data), but a team’s average age accounts for a decent chunk of their defensive performance. The Value in Keeping Joe Smith – too late now, but I agree wholeheartedly with keeping a talented veteran big in the mix [...] [...] data), but a team’s average age accounts for a decent chunk of their defensive performance. The Value in Keeping Joe Smith – too late now, but I agree wholeheartedly with keeping a talented veteran big in the mix [...]

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]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/the-value-in-keeping-joe-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-2748 Crow Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:52:24 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1130#comment-2748 should be Westbrook allowed to "jump" from... should be Westbrook allowed to “jump” from…

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/the-value-in-keeping-joe-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-2747 Crow Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:50:49 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1130#comment-2747 Green is not going to want to go back to being a 10-12 shot third option. He wants to be the clear #2 or even in his heart of hearts the #1. If he can't be that he might want to be the #3 on already really good team or in the city of his choice. Westbrook has been allowed to keep from Rondo like role to wanting to be a #2 or #1. He is simply not going to settle for being 4th option now. Or likely even third. He will look around to see if he can go where he can be #2 or #1. Player goals are always to be bigger but the way they have been managed or not managed (depending on what Presti's real plan is from them ) has put bigger pressure on the situation. Green is not going to want to go back to being a 10-12 shot third option. He wants to be the clear #2 or even in his heart of hearts the #1. If he can’t be that he might want to be the #3 on already really good team or in the city of his choice.

Westbrook has been allowed to keep from Rondo like role to wanting to be a #2 or #1. He is simply not going to settle for being 4th option now. Or likely even third. He will look around to see if he can go where he can be #2 or #1.

Player goals are always to be bigger but the way they have been managed or not managed (depending on what Presti’s real plan is from them ) has put bigger pressure on the situation.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/the-value-in-keeping-joe-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-2743 Crow Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:43:51 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1130#comment-2743 Part of why I say that is because Presti / Brooks have allowed or heavily encouraged Westbrook and Green to think and act like potential to regular 20 point scorers. Anytime you encourage or allow that you are setting yourself for the agent to ask for near or all of the max. Is Green or Westbrook going to be worth the max? Are they both? Are you goin gto have enough left for a quality rest of the rotation? By giving them all this offensive freedom they are earning experience rapidly but they are also locking in on expected # of shots and money. And probably too high in my early estimation. But this is Presti's show and Presti's consequence to face. He either wants what he fostered or is going to have to trim sails (shots and money expectations) next season. But it may be too late for that. Part of why I say that is because Presti / Brooks have allowed or heavily encouraged Westbrook and Green to think and act like potential to regular 20 point scorers. Anytime you encourage or allow that you are setting yourself for the agent to ask for near or all of the max. Is Green or Westbrook going to be worth the max? Are they both? Are you goin gto have enough left for a quality rest of the rotation? By giving them all this offensive freedom they are earning experience rapidly but they are also locking in on expected # of shots and money. And probably too high in my early estimation. But this is Presti’s show and Presti’s consequence to face. He either wants what he fostered or is going to have to trim sails (shots and money expectations) next season. But it may be too late for that.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/the-value-in-keeping-joe-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-2741 Crow Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:30:14 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1130#comment-2741 McGrady, J Howard and Marbury were under different rules but they took equal money elsewhere. Joe Johnson and Kenyon Martin used the leverage of not agreeing to re-sign for more money to get equal money via sign n trade. Ben Gordon is probably going to get that or meet your criteria exactly. Damon Stoudamire made clear he wasn't going to re-sign and got a trade to a team he would sign with. So do Zo and others. David Lee has a high probability of doing one of the strategies. We'll see on Durant, green and Westbrook. I expect one or more will exit by one means or the other. Maybe Durant is actually least likely. McGrady, J Howard and Marbury were under different rules but they took equal money elsewhere.

Joe Johnson and Kenyon Martin used the leverage of not agreeing to re-sign for more money to get equal money via sign n trade. Ben Gordon is probably going to get that or meet your criteria exactly.

Damon Stoudamire made clear he wasn’t going to re-sign and got a trade to a team he would sign with. So do Zo and others.

David Lee has a high probability of doing one of the strategies.

We’ll see on Durant, green and Westbrook. I expect one or more will exit by one means or the other. Maybe Durant is actually least likely.

]]> By: Joe http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/the-value-in-keeping-joe-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-2730 Joe Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:24:02 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1130#comment-2730 No, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a player who becomes a star and is looking at somewhere near max money and leaves that team that drafted him for somebody else and took less money to do it. Those on your list aren't what I meant. I'm not talking about guys like Turkoglu, he was no where near max money, or Ben Gordon etc. Those guys aren't the same issue at all as Kevin Durant. What I am talking about is the guys like Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Nowitzki, Carter, etc. All of those guys took their drafting team's money. No, that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about a player who becomes a star and is looking at somewhere near max money and leaves that team that drafted him for somebody else and took less money to do it. Those on your list aren’t what I meant.

I’m not talking about guys like Turkoglu, he was no where near max money, or Ben Gordon etc. Those guys aren’t the same issue at all as Kevin Durant. What I am talking about is the guys like Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Nowitzki, Carter, etc. All of those guys took their drafting team’s money.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/the-value-in-keeping-joe-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-2721 Crow Sat, 28 Feb 2009 07:27:23 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1130#comment-2721 Hindsight isn't always 20-20. Players bounce around. Call something and there is still a pretty good chance it turns around on you soon. I certainly didn't predict great things from Ridnour. But evaluation of a GM involves looking backwards and what if. There is fair but there is also good and bad in hindsight. Hindsight isn’t always 20-20. Players bounce around. Call something and there is still a pretty good chance it turns around on you soon.

I certainly didn’t predict great things from Ridnour.

But evaluation of a GM involves looking backwards and what if.

There is fair but there is also good and bad in hindsight.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/the-value-in-keeping-joe-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-2716 Crow Sat, 28 Feb 2009 02:27:49 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1130#comment-2716 Milsap? Probably Charlie V. Mayo. Milsap? Probably Charlie V. Mayo.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/the-value-in-keeping-joe-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-2715 Crow Sat, 28 Feb 2009 02:15:14 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1130#comment-2715 Pietrus. Salmons. Watch Kleiza, Gay. Radmanovic. Probably Felton. Not all big names I grant but just checking. Pietrus. Salmons. Watch Kleiza, Gay. Radmanovic. Probably Felton.

Not all big names I grant but just checking.

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