Comments on: Monday Bolts – 2.9.09 http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/monday-bolts-2909/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:53:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/monday-bolts-2909/comment-page-1/#comment-1872 Crow Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:52:09 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=658#comment-1872 You are right Phoenix's roster makeup is nothing like this team. So they may not be the best comparison in one way but it also shows that individual player details get swallowed up in team sums. And ultimately it is a game decided by team sums. Wherever possible Presti needs to improve shooting, cut turnovers and improve defense. By these standards Westbrook probably has to still work on 2 out of 3, Durant and Green at least one, same for Weaver, Kristic and Collison. New players hopefully won't be deficient in more than 1 and push team numbers up a bit net. You are right Phoenix’s roster makeup is nothing like this team. So they may not be the best comparison in one way but it also shows that individual player details get swallowed up in team sums. And ultimately it is a game decided by team sums. Wherever possible Presti needs to improve shooting, cut turnovers and improve defense. By these standards Westbrook probably has to still work on 2 out of 3, Durant and Green at least one, same for Weaver, Kristic and Collison. New players hopefully won’t be deficient in more than 1 and push team numbers up a bit net.

]]> By: Joe http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/monday-bolts-2909/comment-page-1/#comment-1869 Joe Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:54:45 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=658#comment-1869 <blockquote cite="#commentbody-1865"> <strong><a href="#comment-1865" rel="nofollow">Vega</a> :</strong> With how well the Thunder are playing, it is unlikely that they will get the 1st pick, and since Griffin is pretty much the consensus 1st pick, all of this discussion is pretty much pointless. </blockquote> Don't be so sure about that Vega. 2 and 1/2 years ago, the Blazers had the sixth worst record and got Oden with the first pick. That same year, Boston had the second worst record and got the fifth pick, Jeff Green, which we now have. Since 94, the worst team has only gotten the first pick two times. Last year, the Bulls had the eighth worst record and got the top pick Derrick Rose, while the worst team, the Heat got the second pick. We were the second worst team and got the fourth pick. It is not as simple as worst=first pick.

Vega :
With how well the Thunder are playing, it is unlikely that they will get the 1st pick, and since Griffin is pretty much the consensus 1st pick, all of this discussion is pretty much pointless.

Don’t be so sure about that Vega. 2 and 1/2 years ago, the Blazers had the sixth worst record and got Oden with the first pick. That same year, Boston had the second worst record and got the fifth pick, Jeff Green, which we now have. Since 94, the worst team has only gotten the first pick two times. Last year, the Bulls had the eighth worst record and got the top pick Derrick Rose, while the worst team, the Heat got the second pick. We were the second worst team and got the fourth pick. It is not as simple as worst=first pick.

]]> By: Joe http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/monday-bolts-2909/comment-page-1/#comment-1867 Joe Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:47:40 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=658#comment-1867 <blockquote cite="#commentbody-1863"> <strong><a href="#comment-1863" rel="nofollow">Crow</a> :</strong> Over last 18 games Thunder most like efficiency split of Phoenix. Good for Thunder. Not good for Suns. </blockquote> I didn't mean revisiting this conversation was bad by any means. No worries on repeating. I enjoy good basketball conversation. Phoenix is a very good comparison; hadn't thought of them. Their roster makeup is nothing like ours, but the results are similar.

Crow :
Over last 18 games Thunder most like efficiency split of Phoenix. Good for Thunder. Not good for Suns.

I didn’t mean revisiting this conversation was bad by any means. No worries on repeating. I enjoy good basketball conversation.

Phoenix is a very good comparison; hadn’t thought of them. Their roster makeup is nothing like ours, but the results are similar.

]]> By: Vega http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/monday-bolts-2909/comment-page-1/#comment-1865 Vega Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:45:29 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=658#comment-1865 With how well the Thunder are playing, it is unlikely that they will get the 1st pick, and since Griffin is pretty much the consensus 1st pick, all of this discussion is pretty much pointless. With how well the Thunder are playing, it is unlikely that they will get the 1st pick, and since Griffin is pretty much the consensus 1st pick, all of this discussion is pretty much pointless.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/monday-bolts-2909/comment-page-1/#comment-1864 Crow Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:42:13 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=658#comment-1864 Improve point differential by just 3 points from they've put up in this stretch and you should not only make playoffs (with a fresh season start), you should win first round. A lot of ground covered. From here you got to sweat the fine details. Improve point differential by just 3 points from they’ve put up in this stretch and you should not only make playoffs (with a fresh season start), you should win first round. A lot of ground covered. From here you got to sweat the fine details.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/monday-bolts-2909/comment-page-1/#comment-1863 Crow Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:35:37 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=658#comment-1863 Over last 18 games Thunder most like efficiency split of Phoenix. Good for Thunder. Not good for Suns. Over last 18 games Thunder most like efficiency split of Phoenix. Good for Thunder. Not good for Suns.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/monday-bolts-2909/comment-page-1/#comment-1862 Crow Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:25:27 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=658#comment-1862 Actually Portland is doing it. 21st on defensive efficiency but 2nd best on offense. Hard to follow that latter example, especially this Thunder team as currently constituted. But with time, change in personnel and prospects. Actually Portland is doing it. 21st on defensive efficiency but 2nd best on offense. Hard to follow that latter example, especially this Thunder team as currently constituted. But with time, change in personnel and prospects.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/monday-bolts-2909/comment-page-1/#comment-1861 Crow Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:20:22 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=658#comment-1861 The only way to beat a 20th or worse rank is to play in the east and be at least average on the other. The only way to beat a 20th or worse rank is to play in the east and be at least average on the other.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/monday-bolts-2909/comment-page-1/#comment-1860 Crow Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:17:52 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=658#comment-1860 Make that 9th for Utah at the moment. The worst a top 15 offense is ranked is Golden State at 11th in the conference (not "divison"). You don't want to be like them. The worst a top 15 defense is ranked is Charlotte at 13th so you don't want to be like them either. The worst a team ranked 20th or better on both is Indiana at 12th so that ultimately isn't enough. The worst that a team ranked 15th on one and no worse than 20th on the other is 9th. That is the minimum to shoot for in near-term. Make that 9th for Utah at the moment.

The worst a top 15 offense is ranked is Golden State at 11th in the conference (not “divison”). You don’t want to be like them.

The worst a top 15 defense is ranked is Charlotte at 13th so you don’t want to be like them either.

The worst a team ranked 20th or better on both is Indiana at 12th so that ultimately isn’t enough.

The worst that a team ranked 15th on one and no worse than 20th on the other is 9th. That is the minimum to shoot for in near-term.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/02/monday-bolts-2909/comment-page-1/#comment-1859 Crow Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:10:09 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=658#comment-1859 Yeah Joe I sometimes repeat myself, sometimes on purpose, though sometimes I could pass on it. It will interesting to see how far Portland gets with their offense/defense split this season and how happens long-term and same with Denver. Right now 13 of the best 15 offenses are playoff seeded and 12 of the top 15 defenses. Be one of the other and you have about an 85% chance of being in the playoffs. The top 4 in both divisons are top 15 on both so that is clearly the long-term goal but hard to do. In the west Houston and Utah achieve this and still rank 6th and 8th. Yeah Joe I sometimes repeat myself, sometimes on purpose, though sometimes I could pass on it.

It will interesting to see how far Portland gets with their offense/defense split this season and how happens long-term and same with Denver.

Right now 13 of the best 15 offenses are playoff seeded and 12 of the top 15 defenses. Be one of the other and you have about an 85% chance of being in the playoffs. The top 4 in both divisons are top 15 on both so that is clearly the long-term goal but hard to do. In the west Houston and Utah achieve this and still rank 6th and 8th.

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